I listen to too many podcasts. They’re great at trimming the tedium from mindless tasks, and keep me awake and alive when I’m driving long distances. And I learn a lot.

For the last few months I’ve been trying to become a photographer. I want to master the tools so that I’m not struggling to get the image I’m going for, those tools being a Nikon D80 and Photoshop Lightroom. It’s a lot to learn and I can’t take classes right now, so I immediately scrambled for the podcasts. Of which there are plenty.

For the software I gravitated toward podcasts produced by Scott Kelby, Matt Kozlowski and others, to whom I have turned for such education many times before. It didn’t occur to me to try the official Adobe Lightroom podcast. I generally don’t trust the corporations (even the ones I work for) that put out a piece of software to be particularly forthcoming about its flaws, which is really valuable information. I kind of assume it will be a series of “Here are the latest features, why we’re better than the competition, and why you and everyone you know needs to upgrade now!”

When I recently asked colleague George Jardine what he was up to and he said he was doing a podcast, I was really interested. He’s famous for his customer focus and understanding of creative workflows and how the tools relate to the creative process. So I took a closer look at his podcast, which turned out to be the official Adobe ® Photoshop® Lightroom ™ podcast mentioned above.

It is astounding. First, I have to start with the photographer interviews, which account for about half of the episodes. George interviews dozens of world-class photographers, many of which I’ve heard of (as a photography Johnny-come-lately this is always surprising to me) like Bill Atkinson and Jerry Uelsmann. The interviews are well-produced, and startlingly candid. Occasionally they don’t even talk about the software at all.

Of particular note, I have to call out the interview with Jerry Uelsmann and Maggie Taylor, whom I already adore. Their discussion of their creative philosophies was inspiring, funny and fascinating.

This is not to say that the other podcasts are dull or corporate. I haven’t listened to too many of them so far but the ones I’ve heard are interesting and refreshingly blunt. It’s a more illuminating look at the process of developing a creative tool than even I have access to — and I work at this company, and know several of the interviewees!

Anyway, point is: Buried in what one might assume to be a useless corporate podcast is my new favorite photography podcast. Great job, George, and kudos to Adobe for permitting the breezy candor that gives the series its credibility and practical utility.